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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-9184</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am inspired by the conversation. I happened upon this post because last night I had a dream about making an onion-apple-strawberry jam and went hunting for recipes.  The recipe I made today was an adaptation of Homegrown Pure and Simple by Michel Nischan, and it said to process in a boiling water bath for 20 minutes. I&#039;ll report back if they spoil (although the jars may not last that long. It was delicious!)

Keep canning! 
-Brooke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am inspired by the conversation. I happened upon this post because last night I had a dream about making an onion-apple-strawberry jam and went hunting for recipes.  The recipe I made today was an adaptation of Homegrown Pure and Simple by Michel Nischan, and it said to process in a boiling water bath for 20 minutes. I&#8217;ll report back if they spoil (although the jars may not last that long. It was delicious!)</p>
<p>Keep canning!<br />
-Brooke</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Dillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Dillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hae a garden full of onions and I am looking for good canning recipes! I amstill not clear on all this - as I have just started canning.  I have both a hot bath canner and a pressure canner, but I have not used the pressure canner as yet - it is a but intimidating! Want to try to can carmelized onions as gifts. I am having a terrible time finding a recipe! I made some onion jelly last year in the hot bath canner - I dont think it is very good though - the col;or is not appetizing.  I wonder if it is even safe! It&#039;s sitting in my pantry!  Any info anyone can share is greatly appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hae a garden full of onions and I am looking for good canning recipes! I amstill not clear on all this &#8211; as I have just started canning.  I have both a hot bath canner and a pressure canner, but I have not used the pressure canner as yet &#8211; it is a but intimidating! Want to try to can carmelized onions as gifts. I am having a terrible time finding a recipe! I made some onion jelly last year in the hot bath canner &#8211; I dont think it is very good though &#8211; the col;or is not appetizing.  I wonder if it is even safe! It&#8217;s sitting in my pantry!  Any info anyone can share is greatly appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Bazely</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-7689</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Bazely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a VERY informative thread. I just made Roasted Garlic and Caramelized Onion Jam for Christmas gifts (recipe in Amendt, L. J. 175 Best Jams etc.), water bath canned the jars - as per the recipe, and then, after labelling them to be used in 3 months, found, to my horror that the recipe calls for the jars (post-water bath canning) to be stored in the fridge. I just emailed the lucky recipients to advise them about this!! I was wondering about the necessity of fridge storage for the sealed jars - I think that the author is being very conservative. 

Having said that, I am still very concerned:  The recipe is 5 cups onions, 4 bulbs roasted, squeezed garlic (about 0.5 cup total), 0.5 cups balsamic vinegar,  1 cup cider vinegar and 3 cups sugar. Seemingly, this falls within the Ball Canning book ratio (1.5 cups onion to 0.25 cups vinegar to 4 cups sugar) and should be able to be stored out of the fridge. 

However, given the thread I have just read here, clearly, there needs to be some testing of pH. I have noted from the Bernadin  canning book (the Ball equivalent in Canada), that pH must reach 4.6 acidity. So, I guess that the only way to be certain about safety of water canning is to test the pH. Best way to do that, if you don&#039;t have access to a pH meter in a biology lab (I am a biology professor), is to ask your friends who are in Biology undergraduate classes to bring home some unused pH paper strips from their labs - these are usually bought each year. You only need a couple inches of the paper.

I am also going to ask a question about this on Linda Amendt&#039;s website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a VERY informative thread. I just made Roasted Garlic and Caramelized Onion Jam for Christmas gifts (recipe in Amendt, L. J. 175 Best Jams etc.), water bath canned the jars &#8211; as per the recipe, and then, after labelling them to be used in 3 months, found, to my horror that the recipe calls for the jars (post-water bath canning) to be stored in the fridge. I just emailed the lucky recipients to advise them about this!! I was wondering about the necessity of fridge storage for the sealed jars &#8211; I think that the author is being very conservative. </p>
<p>Having said that, I am still very concerned:  The recipe is 5 cups onions, 4 bulbs roasted, squeezed garlic (about 0.5 cup total), 0.5 cups balsamic vinegar,  1 cup cider vinegar and 3 cups sugar. Seemingly, this falls within the Ball Canning book ratio (1.5 cups onion to 0.25 cups vinegar to 4 cups sugar) and should be able to be stored out of the fridge. </p>
<p>However, given the thread I have just read here, clearly, there needs to be some testing of pH. I have noted from the Bernadin  canning book (the Ball equivalent in Canada), that pH must reach 4.6 acidity. So, I guess that the only way to be certain about safety of water canning is to test the pH. Best way to do that, if you don&#8217;t have access to a pH meter in a biology lab (I am a biology professor), is to ask your friends who are in Biology undergraduate classes to bring home some unused pH paper strips from their labs &#8211; these are usually bought each year. You only need a couple inches of the paper.</p>
<p>I am also going to ask a question about this on Linda Amendt&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: kaela</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>kaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding BWB canning, I tend to agree, Doris: I don&#039;t think this recipe is safe for water bath canning.  Here is a link to the full paper referenced by MK above:

http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html

Now, I think the conclusions are conservative; based upon the data, 15 mL of lemon juice safely acidified 100 grams of onions to a pH of 4.0. But the final conclusion is that 30 mL of lemon juice/100g onions is required (for a pH of around 3.4).  Then they go on to say that 60 mL (or 1/4 cup) lemon juice safely acidified (pH of 3.6 - 3.8) a full pint (~2 cups) of packed, raw, onions (weighing no more than 300 grams, or 20 mL lemon juice/100 grams onions). 

It took a greater amount of vinegar (3/8 cup) to equal the pH (3.8) of 1/4 cup lemon or lime juice in a tomato/onion/pepper salsa test.  However, 1/4 cup of vinegar was still safe, at pH of 4.2 (but there were tomatoes in this test, so I can&#039;t rely on these data for onions alone).

So, my inner geek suggests: 1/4 cup of lemon juice is quite safe for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  This translates to 3/8 cup of vinegar for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  So 10 cups packed, raw onions would need 15/8 cups (oh, math!) or close to 2 cups vinegar. Given the addition of 1/2 cup olive oil, I would think you&#039;d need even more vinegar to balance that out.

What&#039;s difficult to tell in the recipe is whether or not you could cook the onions down, and the *resulting* 2 cups onions would be safely acidified with 3/8 cups vinegar (or 1/4 cup lemon juice). The paper says that they packed raw onions into pint jars, added 1/4 cup lemom juice then &quot;cooked, repacked into hot jars, and processed.&quot;  No mention of how much volume they lost in cooking. 

I SO need a home pH meter. If only I&#039;d known, back in my laboratory days, that I&#039;d become a rabid home-canner, I would have &#039;borrowed&#039; one from the lab for my kitchen experiments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding BWB canning, I tend to agree, Doris: I don&#8217;t think this recipe is safe for water bath canning.  Here is a link to the full paper referenced by MK above:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html</a></p>
<p>Now, I think the conclusions are conservative; based upon the data, 15 mL of lemon juice safely acidified 100 grams of onions to a pH of 4.0. But the final conclusion is that 30 mL of lemon juice/100g onions is required (for a pH of around 3.4).  Then they go on to say that 60 mL (or 1/4 cup) lemon juice safely acidified (pH of 3.6 &#8211; 3.8) a full pint (~2 cups) of packed, raw, onions (weighing no more than 300 grams, or 20 mL lemon juice/100 grams onions). </p>
<p>It took a greater amount of vinegar (3/8 cup) to equal the pH (3.8) of 1/4 cup lemon or lime juice in a tomato/onion/pepper salsa test.  However, 1/4 cup of vinegar was still safe, at pH of 4.2 (but there were tomatoes in this test, so I can&#8217;t rely on these data for onions alone).</p>
<p>So, my inner geek suggests: 1/4 cup of lemon juice is quite safe for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  This translates to 3/8 cup of vinegar for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  So 10 cups packed, raw onions would need 15/8 cups (oh, math!) or close to 2 cups vinegar. Given the addition of 1/2 cup olive oil, I would think you&#8217;d need even more vinegar to balance that out.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s difficult to tell in the recipe is whether or not you could cook the onions down, and the *resulting* 2 cups onions would be safely acidified with 3/8 cups vinegar (or 1/4 cup lemon juice). The paper says that they packed raw onions into pint jars, added 1/4 cup lemom juice then &#8220;cooked, repacked into hot jars, and processed.&#8221;  No mention of how much volume they lost in cooking. </p>
<p>I SO need a home pH meter. If only I&#8217;d known, back in my laboratory days, that I&#8217;d become a rabid home-canner, I would have &#8216;borrowed&#8217; one from the lab for my kitchen experiments!</p>
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		<title>By: dorisandjilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorisandjilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very nice with meat (esp. pork), or with cheese on a cracker. You could probably use it in all sorts of interesting cocktail snacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very nice with meat (esp. pork), or with cheese on a cracker. You could probably use it in all sorts of interesting cocktail snacks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Local Cook</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>The Local Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>onion confit sounds interesting . . . what would you do with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onion confit sounds interesting . . . what would you do with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sustainable Eats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sustainable Eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have pH strips but they&#039;ve let me down cheesemaking before so I&#039;m nervous about using them for canning.  I wanted to can carmelized onions last fall and looked into this as well.  I finally decided to just freeze them in ice cube trays since my favorite onion recipe has some cream in it and you certainly couldn&#039;t can that, at least I don&#039;t think.

I&#039;m thinking about getting this:  http://www.amazon.com/Checker-pH-Tester-Replaceable-Electrode/dp/B000WTELF4/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3

Anybody else out there have a reader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have pH strips but they&#8217;ve let me down cheesemaking before so I&#8217;m nervous about using them for canning.  I wanted to can carmelized onions last fall and looked into this as well.  I finally decided to just freeze them in ice cube trays since my favorite onion recipe has some cream in it and you certainly couldn&#8217;t can that, at least I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about getting this:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Checker-pH-Tester-Replaceable-Electrode/dp/B000WTELF4/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Checker-pH-Tester-Replaceable-Electrode/dp/B000WTELF4/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3</a></p>
<p>Anybody else out there have a reader?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red onion marmalade. The Joy of Cooking recipe is delish. Thanks for wrapping your head around the technical points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red onion marmalade. The Joy of Cooking recipe is delish. Thanks for wrapping your head around the technical points!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks so good!  I&#039;ll have to try this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks so good!  I&#8217;ll have to try this one.</p>
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		<title>By: dorisandjilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorisandjilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MK: Do you think that means a pint of onions BEFORE cooking, or after? Raw, this used about 2 1/2 quarts onions, so I&#039;m still not sure. Emily: I haven&#039;t actually tested for pH before, because I tend to either follow directions or make up things based on other recipes. Next spring, though, I think I&#039;ll buy some so I can experiment with salsas. You should be able to find them at hardware stores and some pharmacies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MK: Do you think that means a pint of onions BEFORE cooking, or after? Raw, this used about 2 1/2 quarts onions, so I&#8217;m still not sure. Emily: I haven&#8217;t actually tested for pH before, because I tend to either follow directions or make up things based on other recipes. Next spring, though, I think I&#8217;ll buy some so I can experiment with salsas. You should be able to find them at hardware stores and some pharmacies.</p>
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