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		<title>Comment on Apple Carrot Chutney by Ruth</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2010/02/19/apple-carrot-chutney/comment-page-1/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mini-chutney!  It arrived the other day and was is perfect shape.  I can&#039;t believe the seal held!  I haven&#039;t eaten yet, waiting for the right time.  Thanks again for such a great blog!

Ruth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mini-chutney!  It arrived the other day and was is perfect shape.  I can&#8217;t believe the seal held!  I haven&#8217;t eaten yet, waiting for the right time.  Thanks again for such a great blog!</p>
<p>Ruth</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dried Papaya by Mama Urchin</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2010/03/08/dried-papaya/comment-page-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Mama Urchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about making papaya fruit leather?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about making papaya fruit leather?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dried Papaya by Ernest Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy! First time poster, long time reader.

I wrote a few comments about your dried papaya issues over on my blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://preservenation.blogspot.com/2010/03/preservation-link-roundup-3910.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Preservation Link Roundup 3/9/10&lt;/a&gt;. Hope the information is useful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy! First time poster, long time reader.</p>
<p>I wrote a few comments about your dried papaya issues over on my blog: <a href="http://preservenation.blogspot.com/2010/03/preservation-link-roundup-3910.html" rel="nofollow">Preservation Link Roundup 3/9/10</a>. Hope the information is useful!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dried Papaya by Julia</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2010/03/08/dried-papaya/comment-page-1/#comment-2154</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they look good! I love papaya and I would not be able to walk away from that 3 pounder. What would Joel from Well Preserved say?--they&#039;ve been on a dehydrator kick. I always love lime juice sprinkled on my papaya. Can you save that beautiful coral cardboard by eating it with lime? Weird idea, I know, but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they look good! I love papaya and I would not be able to walk away from that 3 pounder. What would Joel from Well Preserved say?&#8211;they&#8217;ve been on a dehydrator kick. I always love lime juice sprinkled on my papaya. Can you save that beautiful coral cardboard by eating it with lime? Weird idea, I know, but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Canning Onion Confit by kaela</title>
		<link>http://dorisandjillycook.com/2009/12/17/canning-onion-confit/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>kaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding BWB canning, I tend to agree, Doris: I don&#039;t think this recipe is safe for water bath canning.  Here is a link to the full paper referenced by MK above:

http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html

Now, I think the conclusions are conservative; based upon the data, 15 mL of lemon juice safely acidified 100 grams of onions to a pH of 4.0. But the final conclusion is that 30 mL of lemon juice/100g onions is required (for a pH of around 3.4).  Then they go on to say that 60 mL (or 1/4 cup) lemon juice safely acidified (pH of 3.6 - 3.8) a full pint (~2 cups) of packed, raw, onions (weighing no more than 300 grams, or 20 mL lemon juice/100 grams onions). 

It took a greater amount of vinegar (3/8 cup) to equal the pH (3.8) of 1/4 cup lemon or lime juice in a tomato/onion/pepper salsa test.  However, 1/4 cup of vinegar was still safe, at pH of 4.2 (but there were tomatoes in this test, so I can&#039;t rely on these data for onions alone).

So, my inner geek suggests: 1/4 cup of lemon juice is quite safe for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  This translates to 3/8 cup of vinegar for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  So 10 cups packed, raw onions would need 15/8 cups (oh, math!) or close to 2 cups vinegar. Given the addition of 1/2 cup olive oil, I would think you&#039;d need even more vinegar to balance that out.

What&#039;s difficult to tell in the recipe is whether or not you could cook the onions down, and the *resulting* 2 cups onions would be safely acidified with 3/8 cups vinegar (or 1/4 cup lemon juice). The paper says that they packed raw onions into pint jars, added 1/4 cup lemom juice then &quot;cooked, repacked into hot jars, and processed.&quot;  No mention of how much volume they lost in cooking. 

I SO need a home pH meter. If only I&#039;d known, back in my laboratory days, that I&#039;d become a rabid home-canner, I would have &#039;borrowed&#039; one from the lab for my kitchen experiments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding BWB canning, I tend to agree, Doris: I don&#8217;t think this recipe is safe for water bath canning.  Here is a link to the full paper referenced by MK above:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/papers/2004/04ift-tomatosalsaPoster_combined.html</a></p>
<p>Now, I think the conclusions are conservative; based upon the data, 15 mL of lemon juice safely acidified 100 grams of onions to a pH of 4.0. But the final conclusion is that 30 mL of lemon juice/100g onions is required (for a pH of around 3.4).  Then they go on to say that 60 mL (or 1/4 cup) lemon juice safely acidified (pH of 3.6 &#8211; 3.8) a full pint (~2 cups) of packed, raw, onions (weighing no more than 300 grams, or 20 mL lemon juice/100 grams onions). </p>
<p>It took a greater amount of vinegar (3/8 cup) to equal the pH (3.8) of 1/4 cup lemon or lime juice in a tomato/onion/pepper salsa test.  However, 1/4 cup of vinegar was still safe, at pH of 4.2 (but there were tomatoes in this test, so I can&#8217;t rely on these data for onions alone).</p>
<p>So, my inner geek suggests: 1/4 cup of lemon juice is quite safe for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  This translates to 3/8 cup of vinegar for 2 cups packed, raw onions.  So 10 cups packed, raw onions would need 15/8 cups (oh, math!) or close to 2 cups vinegar. Given the addition of 1/2 cup olive oil, I would think you&#8217;d need even more vinegar to balance that out.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s difficult to tell in the recipe is whether or not you could cook the onions down, and the *resulting* 2 cups onions would be safely acidified with 3/8 cups vinegar (or 1/4 cup lemon juice). The paper says that they packed raw onions into pint jars, added 1/4 cup lemom juice then &#8220;cooked, repacked into hot jars, and processed.&#8221;  No mention of how much volume they lost in cooking. </p>
<p>I SO need a home pH meter. If only I&#8217;d known, back in my laboratory days, that I&#8217;d become a rabid home-canner, I would have &#8216;borrowed&#8217; one from the lab for my kitchen experiments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jars and Lids by MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a jar lid that looks professional, I use the regular 2 piece lid and remove the band, and cover it with a white Ball plastic screw on lid.  When the eater opens it, she can discard the medal lid and it looks great in the fridge with the screw on cap.   Also, I never use a jar lifter....I use a heavy pair of elbow length thick latex gloves lined with cotton work gloves, both of which I bought at the hardare store.  You can reach into boiling water and pick up your jars with your hand - jar lifters are too unwieldly.  Give it a shot some time - you&#039;ll really like it.  You can get a good grip on your jars.   I also use them to pick up peaches and tomatoes out of boiling water when removing the skin.  Works great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a jar lid that looks professional, I use the regular 2 piece lid and remove the band, and cover it with a white Ball plastic screw on lid.  When the eater opens it, she can discard the medal lid and it looks great in the fridge with the screw on cap.   Also, I never use a jar lifter&#8230;.I use a heavy pair of elbow length thick latex gloves lined with cotton work gloves, both of which I bought at the hardare store.  You can reach into boiling water and pick up your jars with your hand &#8211; jar lifters are too unwieldly.  Give it a shot some time &#8211; you&#8217;ll really like it.  You can get a good grip on your jars.   I also use them to pick up peaches and tomatoes out of boiling water when removing the skin.  Works great!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pumpkin Pear Soup by Daisy Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a similar recipe I use.  It&#039;s also delicious if you use apples in place of the pears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a similar recipe I use.  It&#8217;s also delicious if you use apples in place of the pears.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pumpkin Pear Soup by arugulove</title>
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		<dc:creator>arugulove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yum!  I have made this soup before and I can testify to the fact that it is delicious.  And this reminds me...I&#039;ve still got some in my freezer.  Dinner tonight I think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yum!  I have made this soup before and I can testify to the fact that it is delicious.  And this reminds me&#8230;I&#8217;ve still got some in my freezer.  Dinner tonight I think!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jars and Lids by Sustainable Eats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sustainable Eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this up.  I was checking out their site last summer while trying to find taller, narrow jars to pickle asparagus and beans.  I just may try their 1 piece lidded jars for that since they are pickles, after all.  I&#039;ve had olives curing in brine on my kitchen counter for 4 months so I&#039;m feeling ok with the pickle thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this up.  I was checking out their site last summer while trying to find taller, narrow jars to pickle asparagus and beans.  I just may try their 1 piece lidded jars for that since they are pickles, after all.  I&#8217;ve had olives curing in brine on my kitchen counter for 4 months so I&#8217;m feeling ok with the pickle thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jars and Lids by dorisandjilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorisandjilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca: Thanks for adding other suppliers! My comment about the &quot;greenness&quot; has to do with the size. While you can&#039;t re-use the regular two-piece lids, the amount of metal in each individual lid is much smaller than that in the one-piece lid, which, obviously, has to go over the lip of the jar. Like I said, I had no trouble with the seal in this one, but I don&#039;t know if I just got lucky or if this brand is particularly likely to seal. More testing needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca: Thanks for adding other suppliers! My comment about the &#8220;greenness&#8221; has to do with the size. While you can&#8217;t re-use the regular two-piece lids, the amount of metal in each individual lid is much smaller than that in the one-piece lid, which, obviously, has to go over the lip of the jar. Like I said, I had no trouble with the seal in this one, but I don&#8217;t know if I just got lucky or if this brand is particularly likely to seal. More testing needed!</p>
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